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Veshta Yoshida
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Posted - 2012.09.18 16:16:00 -
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Oh dear 
All that adoration you have received the past few months must have gone straight into reinforcing your balls for you to touch the third rail of balancing: Missiles.
Not sure the damage hit on heavies is warranted/needed with the other changes mentioned, but guess that is what testing is for.
By the by, could you tone down mission Sansha TD spam the same way you toned down Serpentis ECM .. these changes will make drone boats the only viable way of running the missions with large spawns.
As Amarr only using a Tachy Paladin I have started declining all Sansha missions as 5km optimal 90% of the time really does no good |
Veshta Yoshida
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Posted - 2012.09.20 11:19:00 -
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Holy page spam Batman!
Knew missiles to be a hot topic but this exceeds expectations .. hahahahaha.
Obligatory on topic remark: Focus TDs effectiveness onto the hulls designed to field them. |
Veshta Yoshida
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Posted - 2012.09.21 09:46:00 -
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Katharina B wrote:So please explain.. WHY will the "Raven, CNR, Navy Scorp and Golem will become much better for PvE than now"? Not just claiming.. deliver facts please.
With TE's and TC's being able to adjust missile performance (in TC's case "on the fly") Torps and Cruise will be godly in PvE where you don't have to worry about PvP specific modules like tackle. Defender missiles will be less of a problem as the EHP of the big dogs is high enough to survive a hit or two (last I heard).
- Unless you run missions for Amarr you have 0.00001% chance of running into a TD in a mission, they are as far as I know exclusively used by Sansha.
- AI improvement will have zero impact on your day to day operations unless you, contrary to the norm, have a wingman with you on site. Actually, scratch that, it will have an impact: Loot/Salvage ninjas will now have a chance to get shot by NPCs even if they are all focused on you when they enter .. where are the ninja whiners at, don't they realise that CCP is about to nerf their playstyle?
PS: Stop the Thief is the mercs where spawn begins after nuking the nearby BS, right?
5-6 minutes in a Beam Paladin .. never had issues with scrambling frigs, by all means let them come, I have a 90% web waiting for them as well as a light drone flight.
Don't be afraid to have them actually scramble you, once they are close your drones will be as safe as can be, besides CCP has stated that it is not sleeper AI so drones are not priority targets. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2012.09.21 20:31:00 -
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Doddy wrote:.. Missiles stopped being automatically bad in pvp the day sniper bs went out of fashion, which was pretty much when AoE doomsdays were nerfed.
Naah, was when probing was changed from being a semi random long duration thing to being near instant
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Veshta Yoshida
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Posted - 2012.09.24 10:56:00 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:I don't think altering an ENTIRE weapon system is how you balance TWO HULLS is all....
But it is how one balances a weapon system.
How people got into their heads that the HML changes are part of a plot to neuter the Tengu and Drake is beyond me, they will get what is coming to them but that discussion hasn't even begun yet 
Look over the changes being worked on for the winter patch (hint: Tiericide threads) and ask yourself if you'd like HML's to remain as they are in a state where it is really the only medium missile system used as it performs exceptionally at both short and long range.
Two most glaring examples and YtterbiumGÖÑFozzie are not done yet:
I for one would hate to have the new Caracal running around with a RoF bonus (ie. Kinetic is dropped!!!!!) and range bonus.
I for one would hate to have the new Bellicose running around with a RoF and TP bonus.
Now add potential changes to the BCs, HACs, Recons et al.
PS: If you want an idea of what a an actual Drake nerf will look like then take a gander at what is happening to the Hurricane. Pilot is being given a very real, even harsh, choice to make when fitting it. No longer shall it be able to tick all the relevant boxes (dps/tank/ewar/capwar) without severe compromises (at least that is my hope, not sure proposed grid redux is enough  ).
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2012.09.24 12:24:00 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:Not every hull that uses heavies sucks completely either, Rooks are pretty serviceable but again, there's no mass proliferation of them.....
WHAT!?! HML on the Rook .. a travesty I say, TRAVESTY!
HAM Brawler Rook every day of the week.
Feedback is all well and good but one must include all available data, ie. everything included in this balance pass so far. Threads should not be looked at as isolated from each other, the reasons (I suspect) that they are split up to begin with is probably due to being thrown up as preliminary work is completed and to make sifting feedback a bit easier .. imagine if all eleven winter threads and counting were all under one roof
Even so, why is it that most of the complaints about Tengu/Drake being nerfed, in the guise of feedback, does not include the other biggies in this thread: The ability to modify launcher performance with generic weapon upgrade mods and TD's ability to affect same performance?
Gun users have had years (naturally) to get used to thinking of dps application (range/tracking) rather than pure dps, especially when it comes to medium range weaponry, now missile users get to experience the same joy and furrowed brows as everyone else
On a completely different note: How big is the current SiSi client install? |
Veshta Yoshida
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Posted - 2012.09.24 14:29:00 -
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There is a very good chance that HAMs and HMLs swap fitting requirements or that HAMs in the very least get some much needed lube love in that department. Think it and torps are the only short range systems that has higher requirements than their long range counterparts.
Dust hasn't settled, not by a long shot, and YtterbiumGÖÑFozzie are busy, busy, busy crunching numbers and reading forum drivel |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2012.09.25 06:33:00 -
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HELLBOUNDMAN wrote:...ON top of all that, what a lot of people don't realize about the drake is while it has a massive EHP, it doesn't recover that very quickly.
So, it's a really big block of cold butter....
Still a whole lot better off than armour alternatives (tier 2's) that has less EHP but don't recover at all .. if the Drake is cold butter what does that make the rest?
By the by, wouldn't the HAM Drake benefit from abusing the ASB's, as in replacing one of the LSE with a LASB?
CCP Fozzie wrote:...Out of curiosity what exactly are you guys hoping you'd see from a BC balance pass that would change your opinion of this missile proposal? The Drake has a fine set of bonuses so once heavy missiles are balanced I don't expect I'd want to change it very drastically....
Would be nice to know what the devious plan for links is beforehand, but 'meh'.
Tier 1: Link fitting and effectiveness role bonuses.
Tier 2: Link fitting role bonus
Basically make same split that exists for CC's, have one preferred link hull and another aimed at doing damage.
Prophecy: Expand on what you are trying to do with the other beaked hull (Omen). Add mid (assuming tier1's get a slot and tier2's lose one), give it Arbitrator drone bay (50/150) .. or just plain old Abaddonification.
Ferox: Speed it up, a lot. Add mid. Make it a true hybrid boat with a damage bonus instead of range, Drake and Naga have the fire-support niche covered.
Brutix: No idea until I know what is going through your head with regards to active tanking. Cop-out would be to make it a bigger, badder Thorax but then what happens to the Ass-tart?
Cyclone: Pretty good where it is only one with the target slot count for some reason, make it a 5/5 gun/missile (is it possible to have a dual bonus, gun+missile?). Or make it a bigger Bellicose with all missile spammage and TP ..
Cane: Will need to see if grid redux is enough, otherwise a good ship. Take of a high.
Myrm: Bandwidth to 100Mb/s, keep bay, maybe take off or move a mid. As with Brutix, depends on what happens with active tanking.
Drake: No comment. There is no asbestos strong enough to resist the flames were I to comment.
Harb: Take of a high. Increase agility (don't touch speed/mass), replace cap bonus with tracking + 8-9% more base cap. Fine ship really.
Tier 3s were in my opinion a bad idea to begin with so no comment.
NB: Deliberately sidestepped the idea of having active tank bonuses apply for remote .. with logistics frigs and T1 logistics cruisers coming, RR will be omni-present making such a change stupidly strong .. best not. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2012.10.01 18:39:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote::Edit: I've updated this post with the 2.0 versions of this proposal. Changes are underlined and can be found described in this post. Some big sets of responses to questions about the original proposal can be found here and here.:
Much better, especially the bit about unguided missiles now benefiting from relevant skills .. Sacrilege/Vengeance owes you a debt of gratitude.
Good call on postponing TD changes as that has the potential to really mess things up. Guessing you plan to wait until you have clearer picture of what will happen to ewar in general.
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2012.10.08 14:45:00 -
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Ever see what a torp Raven does to whatever is in front of it?
Sure, it can't solo much of anything but as an Amarr only pilot I can assure you that is not all there is .. Caldari and Amarr has always been co-op biased with hulls that are so specialized that they need one another to succeed (how often do you see solo Zealots? ).
Once you let go of the idea that PvP must be a solo endeavour you'll realise that Caldari actually has a lot going for it; unsurpassed damage projection, ECM, selectable damage types, ECM, more midslots than God, ECM and best of all .. an amicable relationship with Amarr |
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